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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:04 pm    Post subject: Problem with circle hooks this past spring.... Reply with quote

While fishing with blueback herring and alewives for stripers this spring we missed twelve fish because the circle hook had turned back into the bait's gilplate and thus prevented the hook from entering the striper's mouth. We were using Gamagatsu 5/0 octopus circles. Should I have switched to a non-octopus style or perhaps a smaller hook size?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: How big are your baits and how are you hooking them? Reply with quote

Sideways thru the nose (Bad) or in thru mouth (just thru the upper lip) and out between the eyes (Good)?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your hooking the bait thru the nostrils rather than up thru the mouth and out the nose, that is your problem.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, we WERE hooking them through the nose. Around here we fish the spring spawning run in the Hudson River and with the current and soft mud bottom, they get their mouths packed full of mud and they suffocate. I thought the "through the nostril" way of hooking would be better. Someone also suggested that I try putting a zip tie through their nostrils and secure the hook point up with that. I don't like hooking through the back by the dorsal fin because I throw off more baits than I care to admit!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

!!! tip of the day !!!


keep some small rubberbands like the little baby ones on board. place the rubber band on the hook and then hook your bait.then pull the rubberband over the bait and over the point of the hook and this will keep it from moving around so much.

try diff. size bands for diff baits and hooks .you will find that your self inflicted bait wounds will stop.plus you will catch those 12 fish this year.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A 5/0 seems like it might be on the large side for bluebacks. Perhaps scaling back on the size of the hook might help.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that Ezell and some of the others really like the octopus hooks, but I had a problem similar to the one you describe this spring fishing skipjack. I hadn't used the octopus hooks for quite a whilte, but decided to try them again. It might have just been bad luck, but after missing my first two fish with the hook turning in, I switched back over to the owner 5.0 mutu light circle hooks I normally use, and didn't miss any others.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turnback, yessir, bad problem, especially when hooking a bait across the nose or the back. The sharper your hook, the worse the problem gets. Of course you want a sharp hook, but a slightly sharp circle hook is better than a super sharp circle hook.

Tim, I got me a pack of mutu #4 circles for the threads and have been pretty pleased after 3 trips with them. Still gut hooked a few of the super aggressive little fish, but the bigger ones seem to be in the lip even if they had a good chance to suck on it for a while.
My experience with bluebacks is the hook will turn back as often as not when hooked across the nostrils. Hook upwards. Always upwards.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DieHard wrote:
A 5/0 seems like it might be on the large side for bluebacks. Perhaps scaling back on the size of the hook might help.


I was thinking the same. Man, ya'll must have some GIANT herring! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SKIFFYA wrote:
DieHard wrote:
A 5/0 seems like it might be on the large side for bluebacks. Perhaps scaling back on the size of the hook might help.


I was thinking the same. Man, ya'll must have some GIANT herring! Very Happy


Yeah, they usually run in the 8" to 10" range.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gunner1 wrote:
SKIFFYA wrote:
DieHard wrote:
A 5/0 seems like it might be on the large side for bluebacks. Perhaps scaling back on the size of the hook might help.


I was thinking the same. Man, ya'll must have some GIANT herring! Very Happy


Yeah, they usually run in the 8" to 10" range.


Those ARE some GIANT treats!!! Do they come candy coated? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Shiner Hooks Reply with quote

I use the Gami Shiner Hook. I usually get less gill hooks with these and more hook ups.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I solved that problem by doing this: A small piece of rubber band on the hook will not let the bait past the bend in the hook, so it can't turn back. Sorry about the pic quality.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A thin slice of a rubber worm works really good too (you put it on the hook much like you did the rubber band).......one little 6" Zoom worm will make enough slices for a year of fishing. It just seems like I have stuff like that more handy than rubber bands. Give it a try.

Hooking them upwards is the best way, but not neccesarily with a circle hook. I've noticed that circle hooks tear up the bait pretty good if you go up through the roof of their mouth (because of that extra little bend on the very tip of the hook). I've started using octopus hooks and now stay away from the circle hooks (kahle hooks at certain times of the year are good also). Good Luck.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great ideas, guys...both of them. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you don't think the rubber smell is an issue then? It seems like a really good method to keep the bait put. How does it hold up to casting?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks I been missing lots of fish not hooking right thanks. Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typically this is only an issue with freelining/running planer boards. I don't think the scent is an issue at all, if you're worried about it, chop up one of the rubber worms that has fish attractant like one of the Berkley's or something. Casting shouldn't be a problem.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gunner1 wrote:
you don't think the rubber smell is an issue then? It seems like a really good method to keep the bait put. How does it hold up to casting?


No more than the chew, cigs, breakfast, oil, gas, etc. you have on your hands when baiting the hook. This is a little square of about 1/8". It is unlikely that there is any scent.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SKIFFYA wrote:
gunner1 wrote:
SKIFFYA wrote:
DieHard wrote:
A 5/0 seems like it might be on the large side for bluebacks. Perhaps scaling back on the size of the hook might help.


I was thinking the same. Man, ya'll must have some GIANT herring! Very Happy


Yeah, they usually run in the 8" to 10" range.


Those ARE some GIANT treats!!! Do they come candy coated? Very Happy


Yeah, in a way we're lucky because we get to fish the spawning runs of the stripers AND the bluebacks/alewives here in NY. I think it's the only state that allows it. We do have a one fish per day limit though and the minimum length is 18", which by 2009 should be upped to 28". You can really tell the spawn laden female bluebacks- they're about 10" long and when used as a stoolie, you practically can't keep the other herring out of the scap net!
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